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— Samuel Adams, As the Declaration of Independence was being signed, 1776

“We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come.”

 

A On-Line Debate between Al-Nemesis and Joel

AL_Nemesis:
You, sir, mistake using a religious
morality of a diverse group of people of different faiths to guide the establishment of secular laws with the bringing of that very morality into the
public sphere directly to be the foundation of the laws as well as the laws themselves.

Joel’s Response:

All law is religious because it reflects the belief and faith of the
enactor.  Holding to the philosophy of
Secularism is a religion based on faith just as an any other faith, and to set up Secular Humanism as having the supreme right in America is to defy the organic law of the American Union that has declared through its social contract,
the Declaration of Independence, that Americans receive their “inalienable rights”
from their Creator and national moral “rectitude” from the Supreme Judge. To secularize
American law which has been happening in America is an insurrection against the
Declaration of 1776 and those who support it are a domestic enemy.

AL_Nemesis:

They did not advocate a single faith to be the driving force of law or of governance. Certainly not a “Christian” faith of
any particular sect. The founders were of too many faiths to allow that to be the case and, they knew, the people of the United States were of too many different faiths (and having fled from too many nations where their faiths were
persecuted) to allow that to happen.

Joel’s Response:

America was founded by Christians and many States where founded by
different sects of Christianity. It was William Penn, founder of Pennsylvania, who advanced the idea of ‘liberty of conscious” among Christian sects. This did not remove God from government but removed the required ‘interpretation of Scripture’ as the avenue to public office. Religious Freedom in colonial America meant religious liberty to Scriptural interpretation; it did not mean
freedom from Christian religious faith. Here is an example from the Constitution of Pennsylvania, 1776.

Constitution of Pennsylvania – September 28, 1776
(Oath) And each member, before he takes his seat, shall make and subscribe the following declaration, viz:

“I do believe in one God, the creator and governor of the universe, the rewarder of the good and the punisher of the wicked. And I do acknowledge the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by Divine inspiration.”

Additionally, some like the Quakers came to America because of persecution, but this did not mean they sought to remove their personal sectarian doctrine form government. In fact, they were persecuted because they were trying to establish their own doctrine of faith and being challenged in one country, they left to another to set up their own version of “a city on the hill” or government based on Christian principles. To remove Christian principle from government would be exactly opposite of the intentions of the colonists.  jb

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US Constitution Subscriptions Clause – The US Constitution subscription clause reads “…done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth.” James Madison says that that no phrase of the Constitution ought to be a dead letter but must harmonize with every other phrase. The US Constitution declares that Jesus is “our Lord” and harmonizing this with other phrases makes Jesus Lord over the legislature, executive and judicial branch of the federal government. The very word of Jesus is incorporated into the Constitution by the word Lord. Additionally, the US Constitution subscriptions clause reads “independence … the Twelfh,” and this ties the US Constitution to the Declaration of Independence which declares that all men are created (not evolved), and that we receive inalienable rights from a Creator, and that our moral rectitude is defined by the Supreme Judge; in summary, the laws of God given to Moses are incorporated into American law (See Ten Commandment display on the Supreme Court Building.) Constitutionally, public officials in order to uphold the ‘oath or affirmation’ must declare Jesus as “our Lord’ by obeying Jesus’s words, pray only to Jesus as their Lord and honor and appeal to rectitude of the God of Israel as the signers of the Declaration of 1776 did (President putting hand on Bible when taking the Oath or Affirmation.)

Article VI – US Constitution says that American public servants are to take the “oath or affirmation.” The “oath” to who? The oath was not to the people but to God; this is the basic understanding of the common law. The no ‘religious test” requirement was added to the US Constitution in response to England’s religious test that allowed only those of the Anglican communion access to office of public trust in England – America did away with the “religious test” but it did not do away with religion faith. Religious faith is required to take the oath because the Oath is a binding of the conscience before God. George Washington said in his Farewell Address “Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?” In fact George Washington and every president after that by laying their hands on the Bible when taking the presidential oath is acknowledging God and affirming their conscience before God.

14th Amendment – Bingham, author of the 14th Amendment, in his speech to Congress stating the Federal Bill of Rights was the fruit of the Declaration of 1776 being inalienable rights or God given rights. Bingham, being afraid the South would restore a semblance of slavery, added the ‘privilege and immunities” of the 14th to give the federal government the power to enforce the God given inalienable rights of the Declaration of Independence upon the states.

Theocracy means a government where God rules. America is a theocracy according to its social compact, the Declaration of Independence that declares Americans receives their inalienable rights from a Creator and our moral rectitude from a Supreme Judge. America was established under the “Laws of Nature and Nature’s God.” Our National Motto is “In God We Trust.” Our Pledge of Allegiance declares we are “One nation under God” and from God we receive liberty and justice. The subscription clause of the US Constitution declares Jesus as ‘our Lord.” God ruling over the passions of man is the only safe refuge for life, liberty, and property against man’s potential depravity, and by extension, the certain misuse of civil authority.

In 1954, President Eisenhower responded to the Communist threat by encouraged Congress to add the words “under God” to the pledge. Communism is based on atheism. America is not an atheist nation and to proclaim this and encourage national Atheism is to redefine America and is to join the communist conquest of America thereby adding your name to the list of America’s domestic enemies.

If you cannot uphold America’s pledge of allegiance- “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all” your allegiance is somewhere else, and you cannot be called a friend to liberty, or worse, you are be domestic enemy that must be defeated.

Treaty of Tripoly: “In addition the Treaty of Tripoly was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams on January 3, 1797 , and received ratification ‘unanimously’ from the entire U.S.Senate on June 7, 1797. It was signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

The treaty states:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—and as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Response: The Treaty of Tripoli does not say the United States of America is not a Christian nation. It says that the United States of American is not founded on the Christian religion that in is anyway in enmity or at war or has declared hostilities against the laws and religion of Muslim nations. This is contrasted to the European Christian nations who were at war and had a history of hostilities with Muslim nations, for example, Spain forcing out Muslims in 1492.

John Adams “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. .. . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature. “

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